He was born with the
multiple gifts of healing, singing, composing, writing music and praying with
knowledge of identifying herbs that could be used in healing sick people and
other ailments. At age six and in Primary three then, he could pray for the
sick and administer herbs that could heal the sick but he never knew the
imports of what was in him, until God called him one afternoon and like Samuel
in the Bible; he went into prophet- hood. Today, his Ministry has grown.
Prophet Cletus Chukwunwuba Ilongwo, popularly known as Obo Oku Jesus, and oje
Na muo Jesus (flame of fire), the seer of the Holy Spirit Evangelical Ministry,
Abulado near International Trade Fair on the Lagos
Do you see it happening after this
election that Nigeria will disintegrate in 2015?
Let me be frank with you, nobody except God will divide or
disintegrate this country. Everybody has right to say what he or she likes to
say and I always say it, God has the final say. If God decides to say the
country’s problem is so enormous that it needs to disintegrate, it’s only Him
that can say and do that. It cannot be possible, its not now and it cannot be
this year. As a prophet of God, I haven’t seen that because 2015, is the
beginning of the second tenure of the good President Goodluck Jonathan and he
still has four years to rule, so how can Nigeria divide. And I don’t see
Goodluck dividing Nigeria and it’s not possible that the country will divide. I
have always said it; let them know that this country is owned by God and not
America.
Again I want to warn those cursing the
President or abusing him to desist from doing that because when you curse him;
you curse yourself. When you abuse him, you also abuse yourself and if you cure
your country you curse yourself because, you cannot build a house and destroy
it. I advice people abusing the president to stop it and instead as the Bible
suggested, pray for your leaders and forget about party, its about Nigeria’s
interest and not party. Let’s join hands and pray for peace, unity, progress
and development of the country for the benefit of us all. I want to tell the
President to be calm, no fears and that what God has ordained He has ordained.
He shouldn’t get distracted but focused on what he wants to do for the country
and shouldn’t allow people to distract his attention for the good of the country.
Good has ordained him to be president of this country and that is what its
going to be. He will do his best and leave he is not the problem of the
country. The country was in bad condition before he came in and he will do his
best. I want to tell you that there is hand of God in Goodluck Jonathan’s life
and nothing will happen to him.
Do you share views of those
insinuating violence in this election.
The security
of every individual is in God’s own holy Hands, the security of countries is in
God’s hands. It’s God who protects us, the President, the votes. We need prayer
this time more than any other time. It’s not whether you are PDP or APC, APGA,
UPN or any other party. We don’t need all these things now, what we need now is
prayer for this country to move forward. People should know that Nigeria is at
stake, we are talking about our lives because we are the people in this
country. There will be no violence during, and after elections. There will be
peaceful election, good and best election so far and I want to say something,
Nigerians are the problems of Nigeria. We are the problem to ourselves because
everybody wants it fast and quick and this why evil is everywhere in this
country. We are the problems of this country. Many of us do not want God’s
purpose and Will to take place in our lives. We want it according to the way we
want it to happen to us. I have said it time without numbers; that the next
world I will come, if there is any opportunity like that; I will come as a
Nigerian. This country is so blessed with so many natural resources, name them!
We are talking about Nigeria and not party, whatever anybody is planning to do,
whether INEC boss, Jega is going to rig election, or not let them know that
this country belongs to all of us and not to any individual or party.
Let’s digress a bit; People
have argued that old age is important in leadership, because older person has
advantage in terms of wisdom, experience, knowledge to cope with leadership
challenges. What is your take?
Leadership
is not a matter of old age, it’s about activeness. It’s about vitality and
vigour and if you talk about wisdom and knowledge, as an older person, you can
still bring and give it to younger ones as adviser, counsellor or as an elder
statesman but for you at 73 to say you still wants to rule is very unfair.
So, you are saying Buhari should be
playing a role of a statesman.
That’s what
I’m saying. He supposed to be playing a role of a father, by his age, he is not
supposed to contest for any elective post again. He supposed to be giving
advice to the younger ones in politics.
Fraternity of men of God and
politicians of recent is worrisome, is there any advice from you as a prophet
of God to these men and women of God.
Many men of
God cause problems in this country. Majority of them are causing poverty now in
this country. They call themselves men of God they are not! They are men of
money and not men of God because they are not doing well to this country. God
called them to pray for this country, God called them to safe souls; God didn’t
call them to purse politicians’ money. As they chase politicians around, they
don’t give good prayers, counselling, preaching or see good visions again. They
are not doing what they are supposed to do, again and that is why evil is
everywhere in this country.
Watch them
in the house of God today, offering is now five to 10 times, some will tell you
Holy Spirit spoke to them while they haven’t heard from Holy Spirit; they don’t
know how it looks like. They will tell you that Holy Spirit said 100 people
should bring N1million, each and if 10 people comes out they will collect the
money meanwhile, they have already said Holy Spirit said 100 people. If 100
plus half comes out that half should not be collected because Holy Spirit said
100, so because of that there are problems in the churches, and everywhere. Our
own calling as men of God is to pray for our leaders, our country and our
people. If men of God pray sincerely for this country without being money
conscious, poverty will disappear; sickness will go in this country but
majority of those who called themselves men of God are men of money. We want it quick and with that kind of
spirit, we go for evil things to actualise our plan. We see things as ‘do or
die affairs’. But because they called themselves, they tend to do the things
they are doing claiming Holy Spirit. Some of them have schools, hospitals,
businesses, here and there, but if you go to the schools owned by these men of God, the school fees is higher than the government
schools, its higher than privately own schools.
Go to their
hospitals, it’s the same thing and most of the funding of such schools comes
from the members of the church, and so what are we talking about. If your
hospital is too expensive, then you are not a man of God. If your school is
expensive more than government schools and private individuals, then search
your conscience about your relationship with God, whom you are claiming to have
called you to be His man. They cause from for children of God, they cause
problems to the country and my advice to them is to go on their knees and ask
God for His forgiveness and mercy because they have left their pastoral
obligations and duties and are now pursuing money, and that money they are
chasing is causing problems all over the country. They have misled their
members into doing all manner of things to get money.
What advice do you have for them?
Let me say
it there is destiny for everybody but we don’t want to wait on our destiny, we
don’t want to wait on the Lord to do it for us, and by the time you do it
yourself, you fail. Everybody wants government to do everything for him or but
nobody wants to help another person. We go to prisons every year to feed them
and when you go there you will know that people are not helping each other but
we would want government to do everything to all of us. And you don’t need to
wait until somebody approaches you to help one another orb the less privileged
in our society. We didn’t wait for government to ask us to assist prisoners
before we embarked on the project. If you know what you can do to eradicate
poverty in this country, go ahead and do it. That is why I always say that you
cannot do it without the grace of God. Many of them claimed that they have
their callings from God and if you have calling from God, allow Him to lead you
and not you leading yourself. But majority of them called themselves and not
God because if God called you; you have lost your power to Him and your power
is nothing before Him and He has power over you and He expects you to obey Him.
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